
We’re back for another episode of Zach + Richard’s Excellent Legal AI Adventure, this time looking at the world of new business models for legal services, covering areas such as Eudia’s strategy, ALSPs, hybrid law firms, and what it all means for the market. We also look at who really owns legal AI, and whether ROI even matters.
You can listen to the podcast here on Spotify:
And the Apple podcasts episode is here.
In this episode with Zach Abramowitz + Richard Tromans we cover:
- Non-Lawyer Ownership of Law Firms
- AI in Transactional Work
- The Business Model of AI-First Law Firms
- Measurable ROI in Legal Tech
- The IKEA Catalog Scenario
- AI-First Firms vs. Incumbents
- Market Saturation and Future Predictions

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Legal Innovators Conferences in New York and London – Both In November ’25 – Inhouse Day and Law Firm Day at each conference.
If you’d like to stay ahead of the legal AI curve….then come along to Legal Innovators New York, Nov 19 + 20, where the brightest minds will be sharing their insights on where we are now and where we are heading.

And also, Legal Innovators UK – Nov 4 + 5 + 6

Both events, as always, are organised by the awesome Cosmonauts team!
Please get in contact with them if you’d like to take part.
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